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Brooklyn is Watching » Blog Archive » what roll for the artist in society?


Alpha Auer has written a really interesting (IMHO) article over on the NPIRL blog called “The Work of Art in the Age of Computational (Re)Production ” where she describes the artwork of several RL artists that she likes and then talks about how there’s still something unsatisfying in the state of art today.

From the above examples it is quite obvious that the human creative spirit is alive and well in the year of 2009. And yet to me something quite fundamental is not right. And it isn’t just me who thinks so either: I have shared countless conversations with colleagues (including the ones whose output is shown above) on this matter, and we are all more or less in agreement that a very vital component of artistic practice is no longer present with us today. Or at least not immediately and obviously so. Does artistic output still serve the intrinsic purposes of humanity? Or has art simply lost its cause?

She then talks about art in SL and how some specific examples she gives get actually used in “real” SL life more of the time than RL artwork that is trapped in a gallery or museum ever does. She points to some ways in which SL artists may be in a better position in relationship to the public than RL artists are. Well… that’s my interpretation, i’m curious to know what the BIW readers think.

I’m not sure how to say this, but I think there is something really key in the economic model of the art production. The economic model mirrors the degree to which the art is connected to the society that it comes out of. I mean, part of being a painter (or sculptor) with an ambition to have that be your only job (rather than having a day job too) is getting used to the idea that you’re making extreme luxury items meant to be purchased by rich people to impress their friends with how clever they are. I could live with that, were I ever to be so lucky – i’ve been practicing how witty i could be at the cocktail parties…… OR… if you make performance art or installation art or whatever you are supported by institutions or you’re supported by governments- they have their agendas also of course- does your work then exist to impress other governments? Anyway- there’s nothing wrong with that and I’d be delighted if some government or institution wanted to support my artwork but it is my least favorite part of the whole system. I’d like it alot more if money didn’t exist. (sigh)…. But I think what I don’t like about it is that it somehow seems moribund – Alpha’s article talks about art that is potentially “commercial” that is to say it has a large audience, it excites lots of people, not just the 1% of super rich people that buy contemporary art, but is also, importantly not brain-dead. – Maybe a broad audience in SL can enjoy the same qualities of thoughtfulness and originality that only rich people and big institutions can afford to buy in RL?

I firmly believe that SL will eventually see a whole new economic model for art.. don’t know what that is yet, but I think its coming.

5 Responses to “what roll for the artist in society?”

l’art pour l’art’

yeah… art for art’s sake…

I do think to make your best stuff you have to follow your heart without regard to what anyone else thinks… but somehow… and this is where i get a little mystical… but i’ve seen this happen time and time again with myself and many others- its right when you are totally not caring what anyone else thinks of what you’re doing that you wind up saying something that lots of other people needed to hear.

But.. while you are making this art for arts sake… how are you paying rent? I mean.. that is the problem, right?

Given that artist must live in the world with everyone else and have to eat… how does that work? how should it work? Does the way you make your money effect the artwork you make?

Wow. That was an amazing post by Alpha – thanks for bringing it to BiW Jay.

So — the question is — does the art in SL provide a new model of culture that is more thoroughly engaged in people’s lives, in their identities, in the big issues in their lives, the way it was before the modern era?

All I can see is Wow! I learned a lot from reading all these posts. What a great community — NPIRL, BiW… how lucky we are to have that…what a wonderful time to be alive to watch this transformation…

Thanks to Alpha, Jay and Bettina…

A timeless question. I think we can agree money or power ruins it all for most of us. I have to think a separate job, patron, or lotto.

I bet that the job would affect your art in that if u were working in a coal mine or undersea or on top of a tourist bus or a token clerk or a hot dog vendor or a web designer for art galleries.

I make websites for artists and i get stimulated, enriched, annoyed and poor. The effect is smaller and smaller paintings using less and less paint till i am now in Second Life making virtual art.

As for how it should work artists should be pampered and elevated to the status of say basketball players or famous actors. Every business should be required to have an artist on staff or a team depending on the size of the business. The artists could telecommute or play in the game room or take long sabbaticals.

This is nearly completely true, the artists I work with spent 10 years eating baked beans, I remember when there was a supermarket baked bean price war and they got excited that they could get a can for 0.02p sterling. This diet was supplemented by nibbles at opening shows and food from friends and alcohol came via the same means. It wouldn’t be unusual for them to go to three or more openings a night and if lucky an after show party. Networking became a art, every night more names went into their little book. Friends had them paint their front door for pocket money, small amounts of artwork was bought by friends to help too. They devised ways to make art at relatively low cost, once driving their van to a show dismantling the engine on site to use within a piece.

Their networking paid off, many times someone who was put in the book the night before would be called the next day “hey Mr Record Producer, we wondered if you could donate 2000 7″ vinyl discs so we can use them for invites?” “hey Dekka Raymaker, can you design a invite label for the discs and get one of your printers to print it for free?” etc etc.

They even convinced me once to make 200+ chocolate chip biscuits for the theme ‘Rude Food’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dekka_raymaker/3184947202/in/photostream/ all the biscuits got ate that night. Their involvement with other artists and providing supplies they got from their networking for free to those other artists got them into more group shows.

Their first major art was made from 6 months of artist rubbish, including a lot of Baked Bean cans. http://thinkorthwim.com/2007/09/21/tim-noble-and-sue-webster/

Of course there are a lot of variables not covered here that makes artists successful, but being pampered imo isn’t one of them, that’s the reward for fighting in the trenches.

For fun, here are some thoughts I have on the subject:

1. Art hurts. If it has never hurt your either not doing it right or have never done it right.

2. Making Art doesn’t have to hurt all the time.

3. Artists with money have a disadvantage.

4. Poor artists HAVE to make marketable art to get paid.

5. Good artists and bad artists start off with the exact same chance of being successful.

6. Successful bad art always becomes good art, the market can never allow itself to be seen as getting it wrong.

7. Make sure your dealer loves your work.

8. Never expect your dealer to do the work of selling your art for you.

9. High flying buyers think that having access to the (successful) artist is part of the deal.

10. The market usually makes more money from the art than the artists do themselves.

11. The ‘art market’ is the ‘art market’ they are one and the same whether you sell art in Second Life or Real Life.

12a. Some SL artists are glorified content creators (also see 6 and 14.)

12b. Some content creators are artists.

13a. An SL artist doesn’t have to be a RL artist.

13b. An SL artist can become a RL artist.

13c. A RL artist who does SL art is still a RL artist.

14. The shit and the cream always float to the top.

15. Eating baked beans isn’t a recipe for success.

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